The Sound of Mato with Mato Wayuhi

All My Relations, sits down with Oglala Lakota artist Mato Wayuhi for a conversation that moves through sound and story.

Mato is known for composing the music behind the award-winning series Reservation Dogs and stepping into a new acting role in The Lowdown, Mato breaks down how he builds story across mediums, from studio to the screen. Mato being selected for the Forbes 30 Under 30 marks his growing impact on Indigenous representation in film and music.

Matika and Temryss get into Mato’s musical evolution from early projects like Stone Cold Lover and Indians in the Cupboard to Stankface and the Rez Dogs Theme, Mato takes us through the journey of his sound. He shares insight into his latest album Bygoner and its lead single “Leftovers” (2025), along with his work on the Free Leonard Peltier soundtrack (2025), grounding his artistry in both personal expression and political commitment.

Throughout the episode, Mato speaks on his creative process, the responsibility he carries as a Lakota artist, and the intention behind every beat, score, and performance.

Featuring compositions from Mato's growing discography and deep conversation, come with us into Mato’s world—where sound becomes expression, resistance, and connection.

A/V Production& Video Edit by Francisco “Pancho” Sánchez

Music by Mato Wayuhi

Produced by Matika Wilbur

Episode Artwork by Kitana Marie Connelly

Social Media by Mandy Yeahpau

Episode Transcript:

If you listen to all the soundtrack albums, season one, two, and three, the way I'm rapping,

I'm being honest, but I'm also like, I have this like, I got this like snaggle tooth energy, just

like. You know, I'm a made man, but I'm still a menace. Have my main man rearrange

your face for the dentist. You get graced with my presence. You get laced on my sentimental 

taste. Bring the base to bust this place into a separate state. I've been better than all these bitter

veterans taking spots like I'm playing Twister. But this ain't no game, mister. Till my wrist

getting blisters from the ice on it. Till my sisters don't got to fight to see life exist. So it's

like really like gung ho, like. oh you know that's that stank face yeah exactly there's politics in

whatever we do right so that line like till my wrist getting blisters from the ice on it like

getting bling until my sisters don't have to fight to see life exist so talking about MMIW you know

like having that message bleed through a lot of the sentiment of the music mixing the broccoli 

into the cake that you're serving people, you know, like getting the message across is like a 

super important thing for me. I love that. Broccoli in the cake. Yep.

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Thank you for joining us on All My Relations.

I'm here with two really cool people, Miss Temryss Lane. Hi, everybody. My name is Tamryss 

Lane, and I am a mother, a podcast co-host, a comms strategist, amongst other things. I'm also 

a music connoisseur, especially today. And we're here with Mato.

Hey, everybody. My name is Mato Wayuhi I’m Oglala Lakota from South Dakota,

currently with these... folks here. And I'm excited to, yeah, get into some fun stuff about my

music and some influences. It's a special day too. We're having a pre-release album show here 

at Tideland. So it's going to be super fun. Yeah. We just got it all set up. It's feeling good. We're

ready. Yeah. We're ready. You have a good K there. That was a good Lakota.

I always try, you know? I try. I try. I'm like, I want to be traditional.

I want to say Lakota. I bet you said it. That was good. Lakota. You said it. Lakota. You know 

what it is? Yeah, I think you got to have some spit in there. A little bit. Yeah, it's always kind of

like a little jacuzzi of phlegm. Keep it juicy. Our ancestors, they kept it juicy in the mouth.

Yeah. Very moistened. Very moistened. A good word for it to practice is fry bread in Lakota.

It has a lot of... It's wiggly ungarapi.

Wiggly ungagapi. So ungagapi is like bread, and then wiggly is like bread that pops.

Because when they put it in the fryer, it like was, you know? Wiggly ungagapi. I like that.

I like that. Well, I think Lakota is probably the most well-known language in Indian country,

would you say? Besides Navajo. Navajo cold talkers, come on! Their aesthetic,

I think, might be more prominent, but I think our language, just because of like... Dances with

wolves and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, the number one appropriated culture has got to be 

Lakota.

Yes. Of all. I don't know about Mitákuye Oyás’iŋ. Yes, all my relations. I mean,

come on.

Okay. Branding. Wait, say it. Wait, say it. Say it.

Mitákuye Oyás’iŋ. Hey. You said that like a husband. We are all related. Hey.

I'm with the aunties. It's in the back. No, just kidding. Don't do it. Okay. Let's do the formal.

Let's do the formal thing. Mato Wayuhi is an Oglala Lakota artist originally from 

Sioux Falls, South Dakota. He works in film and TV as an actor, producer, musical composer,

as well as writing his own music. Most notably, Mato is the composer for the award-winning TV

series Reservation Dogs, all three seasons, and as an actor in the new series The Lowdown,

which is now on FX and Hulu. He's also featured on the 2023 Forbes 30 Under 30 list for 

Hollywood and entertainment. His most recent album, Stank Face Standing Soldier, is an 

entirely self-produced record, which Forbes calls, quote, a masterpiece that revolutionizes 

indigenous music into a new era. Whoa.

That's got to feel good. 30 Under 30. Yeah.

That's huge. It was a crazy week. I'm honored. I'm honored to have you at our table.

Likewise. I'm happy to be here. Well, I want to know what does Mato mean?

So Mato means bear in Lakota. I'm named after Mato Wayuhi,

who is chief conquering bear. And he was a chief back in the day who he signed the first Fort

Laramie treaty. So there's two Fort Laramie treaties. The first one was basically allotting like

the greater, you know, Dakota, Great Plains region to the Lakota. And then the...

1868 treaty which came about 15 or 16 years after that ratified and they said oh well you got 

you all can like pass through it's still ours but you can pass through and do trading and stuff and

then that led to custer and all that stuff so he was the og one of the first ones that signed it

and you know it's funny because like people look back and oh it's a noble chief who led the 

People literally i i'm pretty sure they just said you Come here, you sign it. And so because we 

didn't go by that, you know, we weren't like how we're depicted, you know, much more 

collective. But yeah, he was known though to be very diplomatic. And so my parents named me 

that kind of with that in mind, some sort of diplomacy and, you know, being, I think, balanced 

and somewhat having like leadership qualities and stuff. Amazing. Mato. Mato. Where did you 

grow up?

Sioux Falls, South Dakota. So I'm Oglala, Lakota. So my folks are in Pine Ridge, specifically on

the eastern side of the res in Wombly, South Dakota. Specifically, specifically, especificamente.

uh, Heisel, South Dakota. And that's like, just like a road. Some people know Heisel who watch

this. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's where my whole family is. And in Lakota, there's like Tiwahe,

Tioshpahe, and then like Oyate, which is like, you know, Tiwahe is like internal family. And then

Tioshpahe is like extended family. And then Oyate is just like the people, like everybody. So my

little Tiwahe is in like the Eastern side of the rez. I love that. Yeah. So that's where I grew up

and going to ceremony and everything like that. I love that. Well, you know where I, We live on 

The res in Tulalip. We live at the end of Dump Road. It's literally, everybody calls it Dump Road

because the dump's on the end. So my tiwaje is not fancy.

Yours sounds sacred, and I like that for you. Yeah, you gotta sell it, you know what I mean?

I mean, at least the dump's like hidden past all the trees. You know? That's so funny. Well...

Today we're doing something that we've never done before. I'm really, really excited about this.

We're going to let this entire episode be led by music, your music. Talk to us about Bygoner and

your lead single, Leftover. I love this album a lot.

Can I swear? Yes, you can. We might beep you if you say. like the c word or something okay 

Yeah cool i will not say cut so by goner is my new album And I was going to call it Side Ho 

Chronicles, but it's not as catchy as Bygonner. Not going to make the aunties happy.

Yeah, I don't think so. But, you know, it was... I mean, but who? Is it like first person if it's

Side Ho? It is first person. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. So it was a formative time in my

life. This was, you know, in my past. But yeah, I was put in a lot of romantic situations,

both by my my own doing and just, you know, people I was, you know, falling for.

And I was kind of put in these awkward positions of, yeah, that in between space of not being in 

a relationship, but being wanted and wanting just that whole the mix of the complicated getting

involved with open relationships. And yeah, I was just going through these experiences of like

romance and loss and. kind of sorting through it understanding it a little more and being open to

it and yeah i mean it would be stuff you know like i'm falling for someone who's in a relationship

and sorting through that you know and i never like a married woman anyway um and so yeah it 

was uh it was it was complicated but thankfully you know it was all kept very civil in the music 

Though that's where i explore a lot of it That's where I allow myself to be immature and allow 

myself to be emotional. And yeah, through the journey of the album, I think I find a lot of 

answers to those questions. A lot of it, too, is me figuring out why am I attracted to folks who are 

in a committed relationship or who cannot be with me. And that was a...

And that's from this song, Leftovers. leftovers definitely deals with that yeah a little bit give

us some of the lyrics here let's hear i wrote this with black belt eagle scout our dear sister kp

kp shout out she's the best she'll be here tonight actually too really exciting so i wrote a lot of

what she sings and It's fun because I love, I produce all my own music.

So everything you hear, I produce. And I also write it. And so to work with another singer like KP,

who's so talented, and I can give her like vocal, just kind of like little runs and she'll just

make it her own and she'll embellish it and make it so, so pretty, so pretty. That's kind of what

you hear in the beginning. She and I bouncing off of each other. And the last verse gets into what

we just talked about. So it's like...

Will you keep me safe? And then, cause there's a lot of danger where to find the haven.

Pressure making me a diamond shining bright for my makeup. Bonafide for the fakers that want

focaccia. Stain in my pockets. Aqua wouldn't make him paper. Ain't my topic. A conversation 

needs sedation like Daniel Day is. Woodcock to stop and be gentle. We watch that bitch and 

saw potential.

Say I get you out your routine and into fancy fits. Would you put me in submission and forget

that your man exists?

That whole last verse. is like succinctly kind of gets us into like the thick of what the album is

about there's so much to do with like me being too busy to commit and that's kind of what i'm i

think i'm kind of avoiding in that song a little bit like can you slow me down so i can like be

with you and also can you forget that you're yeah you have a partner yeah and so that was 

really fun to to write. And like the, I love Andre 3002 and it's very, that verse is very Andre coded 

as we'll hear. So yeah, that song just came out a couple of weeks ago. Exciting. I want to play a 

little bit of it. Is that okay?

And it's also just feels like something I've wanted to come out of Indian country forever.

you know what i mean like yeah just something that you feel really good listening to yeah thank 

you for saying that that means a lot that's kind of the subtext i think between a lot of this music 

and this new album the last album was very heavy in a in a good way very poignant this one put 

on to dance i mean this this feels good it's melodic and also when it first started i was like oh 

there's like a little hint of sadness in there You get through it and then you're just vibing. Yeah,

definitely. I love it. Super fun. Yeah, and it was so great to work with KP in that capacity.

Making a love song together is so great. You know her. She's such a sensitive and really caring

person to hear it translate in that way. And I was very inspired by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis

Armstrong. They work together. You ever hear their collaborative albums? They're very... 

Interwoven in terms of their styles coming together and stuff so yeah it's gonna be super fun 

we're going on tour too early 2026 february hitting the road we're hitting the east coast first so 

we're going we're starting in Massachusetts and going to all the way through the midwest to 

Minneapolis and then we're going to take a little break and then i think we're hitting the south 

And then the West Coast and stuff like that. But we're starting on the East Coast. The Black 

Bear Tour, that's what we're calling it.

With the tour bus? Yeah, I think so.

That's the way to do it. Well, okay. So tell me a little bit about how many songs are on this

album? How long did it take you to make it? Nine songs featuring some very excellent folks.

We got my buddy Awu. who I've worked with for years. We went to middle school together.

Awu? Awu, yeah. Jamal Awadala. Awu. And then we have Ruby Waters. Really dope individual.

I went on tour with her last year. Then we have Tia Wood. Goes without saying. She's that girl.

great to work with her so fun to work with she's like the best kp black belt eagle scout travis

thompson who's a you know seattle native he's great he'll be here tonight too he's gonna do our

song together and then we have phoenix who she's really great she's a she's kind of a singer 

and R&B artist really really dope we got to work together in texas yeah so nine songs pretty 

pithy Cute, good music. Yeah, I don't want y'all to think about it too much. Just feel it out. You 

know, understand what I went through to get here.

But yeah, it's really fun. Like you said, it's kind of, it feels like an urgency to just get this

type of style and this type of rhythm and this type of empowerment to Indian country.

We need it. And having these types of artists on it too is very intentional in terms of like, I

really care for these people on the record. Several of them too like we've done shows together 

and so that was a big thing to me for me to communicate like I want to give my all to you to your 

show because I take opening like super serious right because it's like you got to prime the 

crowd for the headliner for the main act through doing that with these types of artists who are on 

the record it was very much like hey I want you to know that I really love what you're doing. I 

love your craft. And I could see us also working together and making something together. 

There's so much beautiful talent in Indian country, and there just isn't the care for it, I think. And 

so I want to give that care. I want to give music. I want to give art. I want to give... that type of 

bed for people's creativity. Did you ever hear KP on a song like that? Like, it's so cool to hear. I 

love it so much. Yeah, her voice on that, like, poppy kind of, like, thing. And then Travis working 

with him and Tia on, like, a dance beat. It's just, like, so fun. It's just, like, it was such a good 

time. And it's also, I think, like, the power of collaboration in Indian country is so profound. You

know, like, what happened with the 1491s, like, those five dudes working together when you 

bring all of these incredible creative minds together in Indian. country, there's real power in that.

You're building power. It's like as Grace Lee Boggs, you know, we're creating this collective

mindset that allows us to liberate one another. And that happens through music,

right? I want to stay here on our journey. We're going to listen to Stone Cold Lover from Part

-Time Indian. Tell us a little about it first. This was my first album that I released in 2018,

Part-Time Indian. And subconsciously, I enter records with a question. and I can come out with 

an answer. So it's kind of mulling through the music. My first album, it was very curious on my

identity, both as being a mixed native, you know, white and Lakota, and also just different sexual 

identities and even gender to a certain extent.

It was all kind of up for question, right? So I think that album is kind of me. spilling out the

toys and the legos on the floor and making something with them and you hear it I mean I even 

in  my vocal register i'm i'm not confident you hear leftovers and then we'll hear stone cold lover

there's a difference and it's very uncertain and very jarring and but it was very declarative in

terms of this is who i am i'm very grateful that this was my first foray into music in indian

country because it says it like it is you know and i've gotten i'm sure we all have you get a lot

of you know criticisms, a lot of shit talking, a lot of chisme, but you can't say that I have never

been, you know, dubious or deceitful with my word and my identity, because it's all, my first 

album is like all there. It's all me saying, I didn't grow up on the rez, I don't feel native enough, I 

don't feel any of these types of things, I feel, you know, skeptical towards everything, and then 

through that, the album comes out. And then, yeah, I'm embraced in a way that I wasn't before 

in terms of just like being able for folks to hear it. And it was so cool because people that weren't 

even native were saying, you know, hey, you know, I'm half Palestinian, half white. I've always 

felt in between. So like, thank you for making that, you know. And so it was a cool moment of 

like making music for that kind of marginal space of just not feeling necessarily one way or 

another, you know, and that's helped inform a lot of my career.

But Stone Cold Lover. Yeah, that was the first moment for me. Let's listen to it.

Can't stand it. I love it. Trust it. You was like Pharrell just fronting. Fibbing for affection.

Never been about to function. If it's fiction. Might fuck around and stop your breathing. Before

you take my breath away. So misleading. Don't wanna be judged on my doing. Jury steady 

construing.

Constructing my ruin with the shade. They tossing accruing. Wonder what they say when I do 

pop. Claim the stage and rock pavement. Make it shake. Quake the shackles. I'm out to why 

you heed. The name is so sacred. So treated as treaties. I never do break it. I am a stone.

a little about what you were thinking about when you wrote that song june 2nd 2018 chinatown 

like 8a.m i was on like too much caffeine and yeah i made the beat i think i wanted to say 

without saying this kind of complex that i was talking about this this in between and this kind of

uncertainty so yeah how do you do i am a stone cold lover i love you Thank you.

I am a stone cold killer too. I love the juxtaposition. It's playing with the in-between.

Yeah, and I haven't actually ever talked about this, but what it's also about, I think on another,

a parallel to it as well, is like, there's this kind of strange purgatory that I think Lakotas are

in within the mainstream Western framework of us, which is where we are very,

there's this stoicism, there's this like nobility, there's this like, amazing. like you're a proud

people a proud warrior society you're the oglalas or you're just the lakotas you're the seven

council fires stay there though don't be anything else besides that right so and it's a way of

dehumanizing i think you know in terms of like be the be yeah the noble savage in so many 

ways and so i think that was something i was playing with too you want us to be like you know 

have this kind of rampaging mindset of like killers or warriors but then you on the flip side you 

also won't humanize us so we're kind of stuck in that historical framework you know and so 

that's kind of what the and the video this gets to what we talked about earlier so the video is is is 

insane i'll be honest um i look back i'm like i'm a wild boy i can't believe i did that um but it's 

basically like me and my friends being like dead Indians in like an old John Wayne film.

So we're wearing the like offensive garb and stuff like that. And just, yeah, like playing like,

oh, playing Indian. And it's all, there's like irony to it and stuff like that. That plays with the

record. I'm kind of depicting how I feel, how, how I'm seen, you know, and how we still are seen 

in so many ways. Yeah. Very one dimensional. That also is the first thing that Sterlin sees. of me 

is that video back in 2018 it was the first thing i saw of yours and I was like what the yeah what 

is happening when i when i when you said that i was like oh that's probably what sterling means 

when he says and you're like you're funny you like play with this yeah yeah and so i put that out 

without knowing what was going to happen yeah and i was grateful that it got overwhelmingly 

like positive feedback but it was also like oh Oh, we're having that conversation. We're making 

statements. Yeah. And so that was really cool because Sterling, we became friends years later 

and he would tell me, yeah, like that was important for me to see. And also like what was really 

cool is it wasn't until 2023. So like five years after that, I learned that he was showing Stone 

Cold Lover the video to Rez Dogs, to the cast and the crew in terms of like, we're kind of going 

for this energy, this DIY. aesthetic that's amazing that to me was so emphatic of how we operate 

right where it's i couldn't do what I do without him and without 1491s and without y'all like paving 

the way for folks who are coming next right and then to return the favor in terms of like helping 

inform what he's doing like it's just that conversation you know that non-linear type of 

conversation that i think is really great that i think a lot of cultures have and i just know it as you 

know our culture where it's like there's no uh rules in terms of how you can influence and inspire 

people it was just a great like lesson to learn like just do it like don't just like keep making work 

yeah keep making artwork that's like my mantra inside is just like keep producing it's hard 

because you're not always making money and it's hard because you don't know who's listening 

and it's hard because I'm like why am I doing all of this you know like should I just be doing 

anything else you know but it's my mantra it's like just keep making work a because I get better 

but also because the creative process sometimes it's But I need to put the shit out, literally, so I 

can get to the next phase.

Also, sometimes there's just the process of going through that creative process to get to the 

next stage. But for me, I wanted to say, when I first heard this song, it really just reminded me of

love in my 20s. I come from res love, where it's like ice and fire.

You know, like, I love you so much, but I will. I fucking hate you. Cut you. I will cut you.

I'm going to have big feelings. You know, because I come from a place of craziness,

you know, like love on fire. And I just really related to it for me to like that time in my life

when that was the kind of love I sought. And that's what I thought love was, too. You know, I

hadn't like leveled out yet in terms of what I was hoping for from romance.

I also totally relate from and went and watched Fancy Dancer by Larissa Fast Horse.

The whole. story is all about being half half half Lakota half white and then never being enough 

of either and the like line that I left was like but then they're gonna know I'm a fake Indian and

then they're gonna know that I'm a fake white it's like you're not enough of either I just relate

to the sentiment to the juxtaposition to the grappling with like I'm a stone cold lover and I'm a

fucking killer yeah like that I feel like is um and I'm a Gemini so I extra relate

Trouble. Yeah, exactly. And I think too, releasing that record and that song,

it helped me move through that and kind of onto bigger things, meaning I could zoom out a little 

more. And I could see how what I'm doing is part of a greater thing. And, you know, and it 

helped me get less in my head about what people think of me.

And that's still something that I think we deal with a lot in Indian country. You could be full

blood and feel like you're completely excluded from things because of any people will always 

find a reason to, you know, project their insecurities onto you. And so that song,

that album helped me just discard that mentality and move forward. You know, I've struggled 

with it so much in my life because I'm I am Swinomish and Tulalip. Right. But I'm. I was raised in

Swinomish. you know, like even like the chairman of our tribe would joke about me being Tulalip 

and not being Swinomish. And then, you know, I'm in Tulalip, but then I moved to Tulalip. I enroll 

in Tulalip. I raise my babies there, but I'm always going to be Swinomish because that's where I 

was raised. We speak the same language. We have the same creation story. Swinomish and 

Tulalip are both confederations. Neither really are exactly that, right? Like Stahobj people are 

from four different tribes, you know? So it's so complicated. Identity is so complicated. And I 

don't know at what point we settle into our identity and we find peace with it all.

You know, I think for me, I found peace when I started working in community and felt like I was

servicing my community in the way that they wanted me to. Now I'm living in the city, you know, 

so 100%. I'm an Indians in the city or Indians in the cupboard. Yeah. Look at that segue.

I'm the transition queen.

The loose lips kept worn from the burn bridge. But me and Devin got the same scars and the 

same scorn. Got bored. No guap for the store. Knocked on Becky's door. Trying to steal liquor.

Really nothing more. Barged in with the grin. Four star weighted cabinets. Happy with the gin.

Daddy's pulling up. Warm Becky with remorse. Not leaving dry guzzle. Quick vision blurred. 

Daddy marched in and we heard. Who the fuck these Indians in my cupboard?

and i love the cover art on this one that's off of yeah my 2019 album scatterbrain the question in

that one was why can't i learn in like an academic setting and so yeah that's a heavy question 

and so that album kind of parcels through that and it goes to a historical standpoint of like well 

what has education meant to our people my grandma's a boarding school survivor my dad is 

one too so it's kind of this whole thing of like getting a little complicated with like self-induced 

complication of the education system and kind of figuring that out and i was in college at the 

time and it all was inspired by my good childhood friend who we facetimed and he got 

diagnosed with i think add and so we were talking And he said, oh yeah, I'm on something now, 

this medication. I said, oh, what's it like? Why did you get diagnosed? He said, well, people will 

be saying stuff to me and I intake 0% of it. Nothing is ingested. Nothing is retained. My mind is 

somewhere else. He said that and I cried alone afterwards because I could relate to that so 

much. I still haven't gotten diagnosed for whatever I got going on. But it's okay because I don't 

mind it. I think it's my superpower in some ways. That was really important for me, though, 

because, yeah, school. And this album really goes into, like, elementary school for me. And it 

was so, so, so frightening. Just because, yeah, I would be sitting there and looking at the 

teacher and nothing was downloading. She hands out the assignment or the quiz or the test, 

and I'm just lost. And I'm already in, like, an all-white school, the only brown kid. Or maybe 

there's two of us, which is actually that song, which is about me and Devin. We're the Indian. in 

the cupboard who were stealing liquor from this white girl's house yeah this song is really 

inspired by like aggression and like odd future like tyler the creator i was like in middle school 

and high school when that was all happening his fingerprint is just on everything i do that song i 

really love because it just goes through that aggression and my broken home and everything 

and like it was a good moment too because like i don't want to seem like i'm an aggressive 

person I mean, look at me, I'm wearing a sweater. But I do love when artists go there in their art.

I love when they get aggressive. And I think it's also... kind of what we talked about earlier it's

really important for our people to feel like they can be aggressive and be angry and be flawed 

and be messy that's a huge thing with my music that's my impetus you might not like it but i'm 

not trying to be sanitized i'm not trying to be cute and like curated you know i'm a retired soccer

player and i need to be aggressive like that is just my truth i know it about me i've always

thought of being aggressive as like a physical form but to be able to use your stories and to be

vulnerable to be aggressive as a Native person or as a Native woman means that you have to 

be incredibly vulnerable. I've written all of these short stories over the years about all of these

really ugly things that I've encountered in Indian country, a lot of which I didn't publish because

just like, do I want to talk about rape like this? Do I want to talk about, you know, do I want to

talk about fentanyl like this? Do I want to talk about going to black on heroin like this? And

those parts of myself that are so deeply connected to being on the res, you know, alcoholism 

and drug addiction. and abuse and the reality of what it was like for me.

And I have never wanted to go there because I was a public school teacher on the res.

And in the very beginning of one of my classrooms, I was showing them TED Talks about 

different Native people. And one of them was by Aaron Huey. He went to Pine Ridge.

And he did this real obvious poverty porn. you know, that was published in National Geographic 

of like Native kids in, you know, like a drug addicted home, obviously surrounded by garbage.

And like all of the headlines were like, they're so poor. And it was just so much poverty porn. 

And I found it so appalling. And it deeply impacted my students. They saw that and they said,

yeah, that's who we are instead of like something else. And so I've always been really afraid 

about the way that I tell stories to not want to bring Native kids down. You know what I mean?

In the process. And so I've been really afraid of that in my whole career. I have never really 

come full term with it all. So I think in music, to be vulnerable, to tell the truth, to talk about what

you're really going through, is A, an outlet for Native kids too, because they can say to

themselves, yeah, that's how I feel. And they can identify with it, and it's real and honest for

them, and that's important. But then for me as a storyteller, I don't know that I've ever found the

solution to that. It's something I really... with yeah that makes a lot of sense and also

privileges that I wield in terms of just yeah gender and how I look you know I'm afforded a lot of

privileges and so like therefore what I'm going to do is I'm going to be very unapologetic and 

yeah kind of crush the door wide open and like try to bring in people you know what i mean if 

that makes sense of like yeah because you're right i mean we do it to ourselves sometimes too 

in terms of like only tell one kind of story yeah because it's going to perpetuate a narrative that's 

going to make us more profitable to outside lenses and stuff like that i really want you to explore 

that you know what i mean like that could be such a great Pan's Labyrinth of who's going to be 

influenced by that. The compartmentalization of it is a mechanism of survival as Native women.

How can you transmute it like you do through your music and then kind of like leave it? That

empowers our kids, not perpetuates this idea of like, oh, that's us. We live on the res in a messy

house and we're poor too. No, that's not who you are. That you come from.

You come from high class people, warrior people, you know. A long line of healers.

A long line of incredible medicine people. And storytellers. People who have strong medicine. I

don't mean like a shaman as like a white person thinking of it. I mean like your medicine is

strong. It comes in. You come from this land that is rich with medicine.

Yeah. And so like how do you tell stories from an empowered perspective?

How do we tell stories that are not rooted in not having enough? That's what you do,

though. The little bit of play that you have in the songs we've listened to so far. And I feel like

that is the power. And there are many facets to that power. But one of them is being able to...

speak vulnerably and also turn it into this piece of art when obviously people need it right

because they're relating to it and thousands of people are listening to it and so like the proof is

also in the pudding that like when you are honest and when you are brave and when you are 

like tell the truth about the reality of your existence so many people can relate to it and that's 

profound right so i like that well let's go on to the next song the theme of res dog

I'm a made man, but I'm still a man. Have my main man rearrange your face for the dentist. You 

get graced with my presence. You get laced on my sentimental taste. Bring the base to bust this 

place into a separate state. I've been better than all these bitter veterans. Taking spots like I'm

playing Twister. But this ain't no game, mister. Till my wrist getting blisters from the ice on it.

Till my sisters don't gotta fight to see life exist. Robbing for the opportunity to flock the nest.

Stock tons in my whip, Jazz 96. Cock a gun if it comes to that. But it will not cause job is done

before. you even try to pack your stolen stash ride around with kin drifting on baloney skin my

cousin round away slinging crypto for the currency it wasn't always him i want to see him free

again the shit we going through with something else like us on cnn yes ma'am okay so how did 

you come up with that yeah so i got the gig on res dogs a lot of people ask like how did you get 

that what like did your agent i was like girl i was 22 i ain't got i ain't like what are you talking 

about you're making music in your apartment no literally i didn't even have an apartment living 

with my mom bro it was dusty and gloomy um pandemic times too no certainty but i was getting 

whispers that Sterlin was like thinking about me.

Whispers in your dreams. He's coming to me in my dreams. Sterlin, Sterlin,

are you thinking about me? The lights would flicker. There'd be a wind from the north.

And so, yeah, he finally hit me up and was like, yeah, do you produce your own stuff?

I was like, yeah, I make everything you hear. And he said, oh, cool. Have you scored 

something? And I go, yeah. all the time bro yeah i've been scoring longer than you've been 

listen to my first songs stone cold love right exactly that's a movie oh but yeah he yeah he took 

a chance on me and he told me from the jump too and y'all know him he's like this he's like i 

can't guarantee it i can't promise it but i'm gonna fight for you and hopefully fx will say yes and 

yeah a couple weeks later, I got the confirmation that they were down. What did you have to 

submit? Nothing. Okay. Literally, he just sent them my music. Okay. And they were like, okay, 

cool. Love that. Isn't that crazy? I love that. He's that boy. And so anyway, he made a playlist of 

the music that he was inspired by while writing the show. And it was great because it really lined 

up with what I love, which is basically just like hip hop. And then... something I wasn't as familiar 

with was like more like country and like blues and stuff. So I had to like familiarize myself with 

that a little bit. It came natural in the sense of like, it felt like this is what I was preparing for my 

whole music career, which was pretty young at that standpoint. But I did, I love this idea of like, 

I'm not going to wait for a yes. I'm just going to push through. So that's with, and I'm still on that 

type of time. Like I'm not going to wait for someone to be like, okay, it's time now. No, I'm going 

to, it's going to be my time when I say it is because like, i love to make my own stuff and it's also

like when you build horizontal like that is so fun to me like you know you don't need a

professional cinematographer you don't need a professional editor you don't need any you can 

use your bro your sis your whoever you know like employ and like collaborate with people 

nearby you you know and i just think that's a beautiful thing he entrusted in me and that song 

specifically for people who don't know scoring is when you make the original music for a tv show 

or a film and so you know i didn't make the red bone song you hear in that show you know but 

it's funny people will be like oh you did the music i was like yeah i did the music for the show 

they're like oh i love come and get your love i'm like thank you i was like sure um But yeah,

there was a Wu-Tang song that he wanted to be for the main title of the pilot episode.

They were having trouble clearing, getting the license for it. And so I made that as an

alternative. But then they ended up getting the license for the song. So then that just kind of

existed. And then it just became the theme song for the show. Amazing. For season one, at 

least. When you hear it, can't you just see them like bopping around the little four of them? 

Yeah. Like just walking around the res. It was super special too, because making that, I felt so 

attuned to those characters, right? Because in that show, I'm sure we all... that way like those 

are that's us you know on screen those four characters you find yourself in a little bit of all of 

them and so making that music for them and soundtracking their experiences that coming of 

age kind of teetering between worlds and feeling weird feeling upset feeling sad feeling happy 

all that type of stuff of like being a native kid so sick and like doing that music was so sick and 

like yeah it was really beautiful did you watch Like an episode or the season before you actually 

made that song?

Actually, I made that beat a year before. Okay. So I had that beat just in my, you know,

in my folders. And so I was like, oh, that sounds like that could work. And then, yeah, I like put

it to use with that. That was... 2021? 2021. And then in 2021, you also did this next album,

Constellations? The next album in 2021 was called Pleasure. Okay. And... song constellations 

was the single off of that record so it came out in the same same time yeah same time as as res 

dogs like when you were getting those whispers so set us up to hear it set us up for it okay so

constellations love just love um stray love that album pleasure 2021 going with the question 

Answer thing it was what does pleasure mean to me pleasure is only real because it ends.

That's the whole thesis of that record. Right. And so this relationship I'm describing in

constellations is kind of in that ethos of, okay, this is only great because it's going to end

between this, this person and I. And, but it's a very like, it's funny too.

Cause like, I don't even know, I write so many songs about people in my history, both 

romantically and platonically and stuff. And I never tell them. they might find out and they text 

me and i just be like i don't know um maybe yeah this song like i wrote it about someone and i 

don't know if they've ever heard it i don't know who knows but it is like it's very sweet though 

you'll listen you'll hear and like it's yeah just constellations shout out

And the sheets be the fragrance of remember when, remember when, remember when,

remember when, remember when. chilaquiles at 3 a.m.

Love making, wearing just an apron. Okay, like, so how are we?

Young, same time. But how did you from the baseline?

we're trapped inside too many sunny days working on the five-foot bummy wage send some 

money home to mommy's way cuz her son has fuck boy tendencies raised by no father so 

dollars my figure dumb good figure i look up to you so you sing big eyes closed so hard

I'm seeing constellations, constellations, oh again. And the sheets be the fragrance of 

remember when, remember when, relation.

The sheets be the fragrance of remember, greens of the chicken. Me on the side like the streets 

you can't visit. But when I'm on the rise, I'll be changing my digits. And so I mold it both the 

thighs. And like Moses, I'm splitting. Yo, I wrote you a little rhyme. And I hope that you get it, 

cause most people that inspire.

And I really, really, really want.

What are you saying?

So the song ends with me saying, I thought it was Lakota.

Yeah, so that means starry eyes in Lakota. So Constellation's kind of like, yeah, like playing on

that. Yeah, that record, that changed a lot for me in a very positive way. It was very like...

symbolic too because my dad passed away in the making of that song but before he passed 

there was I asked him how to translate that starry eyes in lakota and so he texted me he said 

and then I think two months later or even a month later he died and so that song you know we'll 

get into the album about him but that song was really cool to me because it was kind of like it 

was our our last collaborative effort together which was really sweet that song's sick too 

because like yeah i mean I was in a bossanova bad when i made that like i was i was so into 

bossanova and I still am but like the the rhythm and like everything and also the like the flute 

playing it in that way i that's not me that's my buddy da playing it in that song but yeah i i told 

him play it like a sax and you hear like like it's just oh my god you never hear that you know no i 

love it and now that you say bossa nova I hear it yeah super super just that like

Like super, super sick. Yeah, I was inspired a lot by all this bossa nova. Gal Costa and Chico

Buarque and all these different... Oh, God, just the best. Arthur Veracay. The boys. And the girl.

But yeah, I love that song. It's so fun. So fun. Aged well, too, I think. It's a fun song.

It's really, really fun to listen to. Good vibes. Yeah, good vibes. I feel like there's a lot of

Frank Ocean influences there. I mean, I broke up with someone because of a Frank Ocean 

song.

Literally. I swear to God. I was on a flight leaving Portland, LA. I was in a dusty spot with

someone. And I was like, OK, I just need to listen to like comfort music right now. So I listened

to Ivy by Frank off of Blonde, track number two. There's a line in the beginning. I thought I was

dreaming when you said you love me. The start of nothing. Had no chance to prepare. Couldn't 

see it coming. And like the start of nothing. Like, what does that mean? And like, I used to listen 

To that song when I got in the relationship in the first place and I used to listen to it. I don't

know why. It just like, it was sad too. That song is a sad song. It was the soundtrack to the

relationship. Low key. And so when I ended things, I listened to that and it literally emboldened

me to end things. I swear to God. I believe you. I ended over text, not. Don't do that. Don't do 

that. To all my young men listening, not the move.

Not the move. Like in the air. Can't talk right now. I'm in the air. I never connected to Wi-Fi on

a plane before because I just didn't know how, honestly. And so I connected to Wi-Fi.

just to text someone a breakup message because of frank ocean oh frank ocean yeah well i 

mean I think frank ocean's been inspiring all kinds of baby making and baby losing and 

breakups and makeups and you know yeah frank's responsible yeah someone lost their baby 

that day.

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Let's move into a soundtrack, a song that might be a little bit more serious.

Free Leonard Peltier soundtrack. Yeah, so I'm the composer for this documentary that came out 

this year called Free Leonard Peltier, directed by Jesse Schorpel and David France. It's a really 

Great film. Jane Myers brought me onto that. She's a good friend. It was really fun because 

basically the film... goes through everything that happened in pine ridge during that time you 

know the imprisonment of leonard and all the efforts to get him out through decades i learned so 

much you know even though he was kind of in my backyard and you grow up hearing that name 

free leonard pelter it kind of becomes so ubiquitous you don't really know the story necessarily 

and so i got the direct I guess experience from folks who lived through it and stuff and and you 

know my dad was involved with all that being you know a part of AIM and whatnot and so it was 

really cool to like contribute to that and yeah the what was the best part about it from a musical 

standpoint was that they kind of just let my freak flag fly they just said whatever you want to do 

do it and it was cool because it's so much of it is set in Pine Ridge I'm Oglala I know what it is to 

be there I know what it is to be from there And also I know what the expectations I want to break 

with the music. I don't want to make something that is what you're going to think it sounds like, 

right?

Especially with that kind of story, because there is a lot of trauma in it. There is a lot of

violence. There is a lot of sadness. So my goal was to kind of turn that in a place that I think is

unexpected. They asked me to make a prayer song for the movie. It was a good direction. They 

said, basically, we want you to make a prayer song because there's a scene in the film where it 

shows three funerals. And it's the two FBI agents who were killed. And then it's also the one 

AIM member who was killed. So I made this song, which in Lakota translates to three heart 

funeral.

So it's kind of this like in memory of these three people.

officers to be something that felt victorious for aim because they didn't want that to happen

either right leonard didn't want that to happen no one wanted that to happen because it created 

the demise of so much so we do want it to be somber intense and also in memory of everyone 

who died that day and i thought that was a really responsible way to depict that And the way the 

film is edited is really beautiful and thoughtful, too. And so, yeah, I wrote a prayer song about 

‘that, which is what is included. I also just feel like it's a very intentional and indigenous way of

caring for the dead. Yeah, I'd agree. Right. And it humanizes everybody all at the same time.

Is that you singing? Mm-hmm.

Your range is like so, you go from like, it's like you're like six different characters. It's not

like Mariah Carey. It's always Mariah Carey. You know what I mean? Yeah, thank you. You're 

Like prayerful. You're, you got the stank face. Now you're hip hop and R&B and pop music and 

like love.

And it's like such crazy, it's like crazy range. Thank you. Appreciate that. Do you hear that a

lot? You must. I don't let myself be boxed in. I just admire a lot of different type of music

making, you know, and I try to always have my spin on things. So for that song, particularly,

it's a prayer song and I'm singing, speaking Lakota and playing flute and stuff.

But I also like... a production standpoint, I really wanted to make it my own.

So it's a lot of filters and a lot of mucking up what you expect from a flute,

right? So I'm playing the flute, but then there's a filter that's slapping it back at you. It's

kind of creating this dizzying effect. And then my voice, you know, I love Frank Ocean and that

song was very Frank Ocean coded because there's like multiple... octaves that my voice is 

operating in so you'll hear my like natural like the you know the like i'm really whispering too i'm 

really close to them like but in the background and then so it's like really like it's it's manipulated

and kind of like dense in a way that you don't really hear that type of Lakota music,

right? So do you sing those different harmonies? It depends. For that song, it's, yeah,

it's like chipmunked up. So I like put it way up and I put it way low. But sometimes when I

harmonize, it's just my voice. So that song was really cool. And the score, my score is being

nominated for Best Original Score for the 2025 International Documentary Awards.

I can see why. It deserves it. Thank you. I hope it wins all the awards. Yeah, I'm grateful.

It's fun. I was talking with Thomas earlier about that in terms of there is such ample space for

Native composers, which I'm really stoked for. I'm grateful to be one of the first ones to kind of

get on this level, and I really want to see more Native folks be doing composing because our 

music is already so cinematic in just our culture and what we bring to the forefront in terms of 

visuals and filmmaking and stuff could really do crazy stuff because a lot of what I'm doing is 

nothing new it's just what I was taught and what I have comfortability kind of tweaking a little bit,

you know? I love that. Can I just say, I'm enjoying this so much. I could do this for hours and

hours and hours. This is so fun. Music, inspiration, the creative process. I love this.

And the music just feels good. So this feels good for my spirit. And I'm happy that our listeners

get this experience because, you know, in Indian country, we're always talking about all kinds of

stuff. It's like really, you know, it's like the Supreme Court did something terrible again, you

know? I just want to say I love this. I mean, I'm enjoying this. Are you enjoying this? Okay. Well,

let's go. Let's go to Stank Face. Let's go to Stank Face. Sure, sure, sure. You've got a great

Stank Face, by the way. Thank you. Tell my best.

Beautiful people on these Polaroids.

Those are my uncles.

Uncle Tim. Are you just talking about your uncles on this song? I think you were. That's my 

Uncle Tim, my Uncle Arnold, and then those are my brothers, DA and Van.

We're looking at a photo from your album on your website. Yeah, that's from Stank Faye 

Standing Soldier.

Yeah, the line I, after my dad passed, my uncle, they were digging the grave out on the rez.

And they're like, oh, Mato doesn't want to do it. He's doing Hollywood. And I was like, I want to

put you in a song, uncle. The line was, I know my end around the butt of a joke.

Uncle said that I'm through Hollywood to dig him a hole. That was a grave mistake. Now I'm

rescinding his role as the greatest native actor South Dakota could mold. I love it.

I heard that line.

Shout out Uncle Norman. Shout out Uncle Norman. What's up, man? That song sounds like a 

smile to me. When I made it, too, I played it for someone. And they said like, man, this is like, 

I've never heard you make music like this before. And that's how it felt. It's

very kind of loose and goofy and doesn't take itself too serious, but so heartfelt.

And that album Stankface Standing Soldier came out in 2024. And that question was, how did I 

deal with my dad's death? And so the answer was a whole maelstrom of love and falling out of 

love and drugs and sex and rock and roll and anger and all that type of stuff.

And I got through to the end. Part of it was coming home. That's kind of the answer. How did I 

deal with it? I came home. That was the solace to everything. That song is kind of the changing 

point on the record. It comes at a point where I really... I think I kind of acknowledged the grief I 

was going through because I went through all the stages of grief as everyone does. And part of 

it was denial. And then that song comes right after the acceptance of it, of losing him. And so it 

feels like there's some brevity in it. You know, I made that beat and I wrote my verse and then I 

went to Indian market in 2022 and I'm at tumble root. It's pretty raucous in there.

Pretty res-y. It's like the res bar in Santa Fe where everyone goes. And I've played there before.

And you'll just go there and every Indian market. And there was someone who went on stage 

and full house. And she shut that shit down. She was so good. Her name's Ash the Hunter. 

Yavapai Apache.

Shout out. And I went up to her right after. And I was like, I need you in my life.

Like, can we do something together? And she was like, yeah, of course, just let me know. So I 

sent her that beat and she wrote something and it was really good. I sent a note back. I said, 

can you rewrite it and can you make it just a little more specific to your life? And then so she 

sent it back, you know, woke up this morning, think creative for today. And even though I see no 

Ray Nosedale dealing with his pain, left my hometown in search of better days from Camp 

Verde to Phoenix, running straight to LA. I got my family by my side. And like her verse is like 

the core of the whole album. So she kind of unbeknownst to her, like made the whole core, the 

nucleus of the whole record. And as a guest feature, killed it. So sick. And we got to perform at 

the Phoenix Suns halftime show a couple years ago too. So she, yeah, she came out for that. It 

was really sick. And yeah, that song is great. I mean, like that song has really done a lot of 

healing for me. Talking about family i didn't really talk about family before that record in a in a 

positive way honestly I was very feeling very negative and uncertain and sensitive and insecure 

about family and that song was the one of the first times i was really embracing of it and 

collaborative and having ash on there too and then the children's choir at the end you know 

actually full circle holy balls that children's choir i thought of that going to y'all's live broadcast in 

LA Really?

Three years ago in Santa Monica. No way. I'm literally in the audience and y'all are doing your

thing. KP's up there playing guitar. And I'm just, because I don't know if y'all are like this,

but when I go to see things that inspire me, it's weird. It causes almost like a perpendicular form

of inspiration where I see y'all doing your thing and I'm like, wait. huh and I think of an idea

while I'm there like I'll go to a movie that is really inspiring me just I'm watching and I'm moved

and then I start thinking about my own ideas it's a really weird process my eyes need to see 

new things I need new trees and new rocks I need to hear new things I need to taste new things 

for me to be able to like refill my creative palette yeah and so when I'm at y'all's broadcast of 

that and taping of it I'm sitting there in the crowd and for some reason I'm listening to y'all I'm

just like children's choir I need a children's. I swear to God. I don't know why. There was no

children's choir before. So I literally like find a children's choir. I DM them and ask them to

work with me. Wow, you're there. Yeah, like literally, I swear to God. I love that. Yeah, and it

was, I just thought of that now. Wow, that's nuts. But anyway, that's why they're in there and

they're sprinkled throughout that whole record. I love that. Yeah, that was a really special 

moment in my career, releasing that and everything. Creators keep creating because you just 

never know when you're going to. intersect with someone else's creative process. And I think 

you're speaking to something that's really profound happening right now in Indian country, which 

is a creative movement, right? You know, for a really long time, Native people were only 

represented through a lens of whiteness, right? Like what happened in Hollywood, what 

happened on records that came out of Hollywood, you know, what happened in syndication and 

journals and publication. In order for it to be published, it had to go through a lens of whiteness. 

And then came social media and then came self-publishing and blogs and being able to make 

music at home in your living room. And it still sounds professional and being able to make a 

podcast. living room and then you have this whole movement in the last two decades of native 

producers and creatives and filmmakers and song makers and storytellers producing you know 

without that lens of whiteness and this incredible bursts of Native-made content, right? And then 

you have things like Reservation Dogsand Chief of War and your albums and, you know, Robin 

Wall Kemmer and Tia Woods and all of these incredible creatives like Tommy Orange and 

Sasha LaPointe and Julian Noyes Brave Cat and, you know, all of these amazing creatives 

exploding with, like, profound indigenuity. And it is influencing,

we're influencing each other, right? I think of it as like a renaissance, a movement. A 

resurgence.

A reassurance. It's exciting. It makes me feel good.

Yeah, it is. I mean, I think this last nine years,

almost a decade since Standing Rock in the movement of visibility through social media.

we are able to share our stories more consistently, easier for each other,

and oftentimes for a broader audience.

But what I love is it sounds like the music you're making is for yourself.

Yeah, someone early on in my career said everything is 80-20. That kind of percentage 

breakdown is a good way to think about life in terms of like 80% for you. 20% for others yeah I 

really have to find something new about myself to feel comfortable releasing something 

because I think that's also what proves to be the most salient when I'm uncomfortable almost to 

release something it's like oh this challenges me it's being brave it's being brave yeah yeah I 

think so with your authenticity and evolution because it's like what you were at the start of this 

discography like is different than now here we are with this incredible album by Goner and the 

single Leftovers, right? Like that's way different than Stone Cold Lover. Yeah, true. There's a 

huge evolution in that, you know, yeah, I can hear it in my voice. I'm like, yeah, just more 

comfortable and more confident. Yeah. Ditto. And I just want to compliment your poster art.

Tell us just a little bit about the title of your album and then where people can find you.

Yeah. So By Goner is out now by Mato Waiyuhi. This is me speaking to you.

Behind me, I have the alternative cover art by Oglala slash Shichangu artist Kylie Thunderhawk.

She's a dope artist. I asked her to make something for me for the music,

and I sent her the album, and that's what she made. And all I said I wanted was just a drum 

group, and then she kind of went with it with her own ambition and where the music took her 

creatively.

And, yeah, so it was really fun. Yeah, the album is available everywhere. I hope you all enjoy it.

We got Awu, Ruby Waters, Tia Wood, Black Belt Eagle Scout, Travis Thompson,

Phoenix. The whole folks, the whole gang is on there. And yeah, I'm very honored to be able to

release music. I hope you all enjoy it. Take it as you please. This has been a real treat.

Absolutely. Thank you for joining us on All My Relations. Before we close, talk about what the 

term All My Relations means to you. Well, very near and dear to me because Lakotas usually 

say that as we conclude our prayers, we're all related, having All My Relations in mind.

I guess what that means is the interconnectedness of everything is very important to me.

And I think for me, from an artistic standpoint, I think it's always valuable to understand in

terms of creativity. It's like, this is how I think of it, at least. You are a vessel for what came

before you and what's coming next. You're kind of just that, you're that intermediary between 

those two. The relationality between. music and art and space and culture and whatnot.

And like, I really love my people. I really love my culture.

I really love our community that we have and my love for music brought me there. So I take it so

seriously and I love it so much because of that, that sacredness of the art form and I'll do

anything for it. It's almost like a Buddhist approach to it. It's just, you know, I will take it as

it is. And yeah, so I think that's what that means to me. in terms of all my relations and stuff.

And yeah, I'm honored to be here. It was really fun. Super, super fun. Thank you. Where can 

people find you? I'm on everything at Matowayuhi, M-A-T-O-W-A-Y-U-H-I.

Come check me out. I do a lot of food reviews of bizarre foods. It's kind of my little side quest.

Yeah, that's a little bit about me. Watch The Lowdown on FX and Hulu. Okay.

Yep, that's out. You'll see me in there. I play Chuto, a street artist. Watch Reservation Dogs.

Listen to all my relations. Yes, and you are doing our music this season. True.

There you go. So yeah, you won't have to work too hard to hear me if you listen to them. Just

appreciate your time and your storytelling and sharing with our listeners. I know this was fun.

Yeah. Many, many, many Tiguit seeds. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

All right,

relatives, that's all the time we have for today. Big thank you to Mato Waiyuhi for joining us and

for the music you hear on the show. We're big fans of Mato. Such a pleasure to have him here.

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